Program Books/William Kentridge The Great Yes, The Great No

William Kentridge
The Great Yes, The Great No

Friday and Saturday, March 14–15, 2025, 8pm
Sunday, March 16, 2025, 3pm
Zellerbach Hall

This performance will last approximately 90 minutes and be performed without an intermission.

Support for this performance is provided by The Great Yes, The Great No Council for Kentridge.
Leadership support is provided by the Jonathan Logan Family Foundation and Nadine Tang.
Major support is provided by Bob Ellis (March 15), and Janice and Nicholas E. Brathwaite (March 15).
This performance is made possible in part by The Edgar Foster Daniels Foundation, 
Divesh & Diksha Makan, and the National Endowment for the Arts.
Additional support is provided by Helen Berggruen for Five Arts Foundation, John Berggruen,
and Diana Nelson and John Atwater.
Commissioning support is provided by William and Sakurako Fisher.

From the Executive and Artistic Director

Usually, it’s my practice to mention each and every one of our planned performances in these program book letters. This time, however, I’m afraid that’s just not possible, so extensive and wide-ranging is our March programming this season. Suffice it to say that in the coming weeks alone, Cal Performances will host a full two dozen presentations featuring the widest selection of performing artists to be seen anywhere in the Bay Area. Representing the very finest in the worlds of music, dance, theater, our March events truly offer something for everyone. (Our website includes all the details. And just to be honest, things don’t get any quieter in April!)

That said, three offerings this month do deserve special attention, as they so clearly speak to the strength of reputation that Berkeley audiences command among the world’s most acclaimed performers. Early in the month (Mar 5–7, Zellerbach Hall [ZH]), I’m thrilled to recognize the Maria Manetti Shrem and Elizabeth Segerstrom California Orchestra Residency, which will present three concerts with the peerless Vienna Philharmonic and preeminent conductor Yannick Nézet-Séguin, and joined by pianist Yefim Bronfman on March 7 (the night of our 2025 Gala with Mrs. Manetti Shrem and Mrs. Segerstrom as honorary co-chairs). I can promise you this—if you have never had the pleasure and privilege of attending a performance by this world-renowned orchestra, and with this accomplished conductor, you truly have an unforgettable experience in store. These concerts simply must not be missed.

And the same may be said of the March 14–16 (ZH) visit by the multi-talented South African stage and visual artist William Kentridge, who this season brings the Bay Area premiere of his mind-expanding new chamber opera, The Great Yes, The Great No, to campus. Bay Area audiences still fondly recall the 2023 US premiere of Kentridge’s brilliant Sibyl, in addition to the many other performances and events that were part of his campus residency that season. For more, please see Thomas May’s insightful article beginning on page 7.

It’s worth mentioning, also, that William Kentridge’s The Great Yes, The Great No is part of our 2024–25 Illuminations theme of “Fractured History,” which continues to offer nuanced accounts and powerful new voices to enrich our understanding of the past and explore how our notions of history affect our present and future. I recommend you give particular attention to the remaining season programs on this series, as well as check out the excellent videos that live on the Illuminations page on our website.

Our programming this month concludes on March 23 when we welcome the return of the legendary pianist Mitsuko Uchida and the acclaimed Mahler Chamber Orchestra for the latest in their ongoing Cal Performances presentations featuring Mozart’s profound and timeless piano concertos. Speaking personally, decades of hearing revelatory performances from this esteemed artist has been a source of great joy in my life; I know you’ll join me in celebrating her return to UC Berkeley.

Lastly, I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention another Illuminations event, the upcoming Cal Performances debut of the world-renowned Brazilian dance troupe Grupo Corpo (Apr 25–26, ZH). And please note that we’ve also recently added an event to our calendar with Pulitzer Prize-winning composer, vocalist, and banjo virtuoso Rhiannon Giddens & The Old Time Revue (June 21, ZH).

As always, I look forward to engaging with so many fresh artistic perspectives alongside you as we continue with the second half of our season. Together, we will witness how these experiences can move each one of us in the profound and unpredictable ways made possible only by the live performing arts.

Jeremy Geffen
Executive and Artistic Director, Cal Performances

Jeremy GeffenUsually, it’s my practice to mention each and every one of our planned performances in these program book letters. This time, however, I’m afraid that’s just not possible, so extensive and wide-ranging is our March programming this season. Suffice it to say that in the coming weeks alone, Cal Performances will host a full two dozen presentations featuring the widest selection of performing artists to be seen anywhere in the Bay Area. Representing the very finest in the worlds of music, dance, theater, our March events truly offer something for everyone. (Our website includes all the details. And just to be honest, things don’t get any quieter in April!)

That said, three offerings this month do deserve special attention, as they so clearly speak to the strength of reputation that Berkeley audiences command among the world’s most acclaimed performers. Early in the month (Mar 5–7, Zellerbach Hall [ZH]), I’m thrilled to recognize the Maria Manetti Shrem and Elizabeth Segerstrom California Orchestra Residency, which will present three concerts with the peerless Vienna Philharmonic and preeminent conductor Yannick Nézet-Séguin, and joined by pianist Yefim Bronfman on March 7 (the night of our 2025 Gala with Mrs. Manetti Shrem and Mrs. Segerstrom as honorary co-chairs). I can promise you this—if you have never had the pleasure and privilege of attending a performance by this world-renowned orchestra, and with this accomplished conductor, you truly have an unforgettable experience in store. These concerts simply must not be missed.

And the same may be said of the March 14–16 (ZH) visit by the multi-talented South African stage and visual artist William Kentridge, who this season brings the Bay Area premiere of his mind-expanding new chamber opera, The Great Yes, The Great No, to campus. Bay Area audiences still fondly recall the 2023 US premiere of Kentridge’s brilliant Sibyl, in addition to the many other performances and events that were part of his campus residency that season. For more, please see Thomas May’s insightful article beginning on page 7.

It’s worth mentioning, also, that William Kentridge’s The Great Yes, The Great No is part of our 2024–25 Illuminations theme of “Fractured History,” which continues to offer nuanced accounts and powerful new voices to enrich our understanding of the past and explore how our notions of history affect our present and future. I recommend you give particular attention to the remaining season programs on this series, as well as check out the excellent videos that live on the Illuminations page on our website.

Our programming this month concludes on March 23 when we welcome the return of the legendary pianist Mitsuko Uchida and the acclaimed Mahler Chamber Orchestra for the latest in their ongoing Cal Performances presentations featuring Mozart’s profound and timeless piano concertos. Speaking personally, decades of hearing revelatory performances from this esteemed artist has been a source of great joy in my life; I know you’ll join me in celebrating her return to UC Berkeley.

Lastly, I’d be remiss if I didn’t mention another Illuminations event, the upcoming Cal Performances debut of the world-renowned Brazilian dance troupe Grupo Corpo (Apr 25–26, ZH). And please note that we’ve also recently added an event to our calendar with Pulitzer Prize-winning composer, vocalist, and banjo virtuoso Rhiannon Giddens & The Old Time Revue (June 21, ZH).

As always, I look forward to engaging with so many fresh artistic perspectives alongside you as we continue with the second half of our season. Together, we will witness how these experiences can move each one of us in the profound and unpredictable ways made possible only by the live performing arts.

Jeremy Geffen
Executive and Artistic Director, Cal Performances

Marseille, 1941: a liner sails for Martinique. Fleeing Vichy France, on board are surrealist André Breton, anthropologist Claude Lévi-Strauss, Cuban painter Wifredo Lam, Communist novelist Victor Serge, and exiled German author Anna Seghers. The Great Yes, The Great No adds its layer of fiction to history, augmenting this very real passenger list with several other famous figures: Martinican writers Suzanne and Aimé Césaire; and Jeanne and Paulette Nardal, in whose salon in Paris the theorized concept of “négritude” was born, in dialogue between Aimé Césaire, Léopold Sédar Senghor (a Senegalese writer), and Léon-Gontran Damas (a French Guianese poet). Also on board are philosopher Frantz Fanon, Joséphine Bonaparte (another Martiniquais), Josephine Baker, Trotsky, and even Stalin.

All are united by the symbolic power of the crossing, experienced in turn as uprooting, exile, or reinvention—from Africa to the Caribbean, from the Caribbean to Europe, from war-torn Europe to a new elsewhere. It’s no coincidence that William Kentridge conceived of the Captain as an incarnation of Charon—the ferryman of the Underworld on the River Styx: this wartime 
transatlantic voyage takes characters and spectators into another world, governed by a deconstruction of signs and words. In addition to the writings and words of these famous thinkers and artists, which find their way into the text of the play in fragments, the Captain constructs his lines from snippets taken from Bertolt Brecht, Anna Akhmatova, Wisława Szymborska, Marina Tsvetaeva, and others.

Created with associate director Phala Ookeditse Phala, choral conductor and dancer Nhlanhla Mahlangu, and dramaturg Mwenya Kabwe, The Great Yes, The Great No is part play, part oratorio, part chamber opera. Kentridge’s breathtaking visual inventiveness, particularly linked to the spirit of Surrealism, is in dialogue with Nhlanhla Mahlangu’s musical composition, in a dramaturgy combining a “Greek choir,” actors and dancers, projections, masks, and shadow play. The fertile ground of the Black Paris of the 1940s, the poetics of Martinique, Surrealism, and the Négritude movement form the background to the libretto. The Great Yes, The Great No is led by these anti-rational ways of approaching language and image. Finding strange beauty in the unexpected, the uncanny, the disregarded, and the unconventional, Surrealism has been described as Negritude’s creative weapon, and The Great Yes, The Great No captures the poetic and the revolutionary as it gestures towards a more free future possibility.

A Note from William Kentridge
In March 1941, when the cargo ship Capitaine Paul-Lemerle sailed from Marseille to Martinique, its passengers, escaping Vichy France, included the surrealist André Breton, the anthropologist Claude Lévi-Strauss, the Cuban artist Wifredo Lam, the communist novelist Victor Serge, and the author Anna Seghers.

This boat and its journey are the starting point for The Great Yes, The Great No. The captain on the boat is, of course, Charon, the ferryman of the dead, crossing the water. Charon calls other characters up onto the boat. From Martinique, there are Aimé 
Césaire, who had actually made the journey from Marseille to Martinique two years earlier with his wife Suzanne, and Jane and Paulette Nardal, who—together with the Césaires and Léopold Sédar Senghor—had founded the anticolonialist Négritude movement in Paris in the 1920s and 1930s. Frantz Fanon, also from Martinique, jumps back in time and appears on the boat, as well. The other Martinican on board is Joséphine Bonaparte, twinned with another famous Parisian “Josephine,” Josephine Baker. Trotsky, who had been killed in Mexico six months before the sailing of the boat, is there, too. Even Stalin makes a brief appearance.

The journey is the 1941 crossing of the Atlantic, but earlier crossings from Africa to the Caribbean are also there, as well as contemporary forced sea crossings. The fertile grounds of Paris and Martinique, Surrealism, and Négritude, are the background to the libretto. Aimé Césaire’s seminal poem “Cahier d’un retour au pays natal” (“Notebook of a Return to the Native Land,” 1939) is its bedrock. New anti-rational ways of approaching language and image are in play. Charon’s dyspeptic thoughts come from many sources, from Breton’s Surrealism, the Afro-Cubism of Wifredo Lam, and the poetry of Léon-Gontran Damas, to writings from Senghor, Suzanne Césaire, and Paulette Nardal, and the 1930s poems of Bertolt Brecht.
William Kentridge

A Chorus of Seven Women
The world is leaking—The dead report for duty—The women are picking up the pieces.

This poetic phrase by William Kentridge inspired the thinking behind the Chorus of Seven Women that is at the heart of The Great Yes, The Great No. Among a cast of historical figures who are called up from the dead, the chorus represent the migrants who survive sea crossings and insist that we remember those who do not. Their seven voices allow for a balancing of harmonies in the choral composition, but also stand as a symbol of cyclical completion and connect us to myth and legend. It is a Chorus of Seven Women that comes after the journey, after the war, after the storm, after the party, after the decay, to pick up the pieces and to rebuild. An offering of possibility after the wreckage.

The role of the choral composer is to facilitate finding a kind of depth and honesty of sound that human voices are capable of. In the case of The Great Yes, The Great No, the choral composition, led by Nhlanhla Mahlangu, is enabled through the elements of dance, movement, and somatic memory to discover sound in a way that allows the chorus to work with physicality and cultural and historical depth. The libretto is made up of extracts of texts from a wide range of sources, which are then translated into the multiple languages spoken by the singers: isiZulu, isiXhosa, Setswana, SiSwati, and Xitsonga. During workshops, discussions among the chorus members about meanings were followed by locating a personal context from which to understand what is being communicated across time and geography, and from there, from a place that is felt in the body. This lead to a search for musical coherence in the form of melody, rhythm, song, and chant. The work of the chorus is specifically located, yet creates a deeply felt sense that translates across distance.

Translation is a central feature of the work of the chorus, as the singers work with and through the original languages that compose the libretto (including French, English, and Creole). The texts serve as gifts, prompts, and provocations for the work of translating, for carrying over experiences, ideas, understandings. This invokes the travel from one place to another, the journey by boat from Marseille to Martinique on which the Chorus of Seven Women is moved and inspired towards sonic (mis)translation. The chorus captures the great asymmetries of the world and the marvelous potential of new understandings, and in this way, it completes the strange, magical, and unexpected surrealist experience of The Great Yes, The Great No, asserting the power of the unconscious, of chance, and of dreams.
Nhlanhla Mahlangu
Associate Director, Choral Composer

Mwenya Kabwe
Dramaturg

This essay was originally commissioned and published by LUMA Foundation for the premiere of The Great Yes, The Great No in Arles, France, July 2024.

CREATIVE TEAM
William Kentridge, Concept | Director
Nhlanhla Mahlangu and Phala O. Phala, Associate Directors
Nhlanhla Mahlangu, Choral Composer
Greta Goiris, Costume Design
Sabine Theunissen, Set Design
Tlale Makhene, Music Director
Mwenya Kabwe, Dramaturg
Urs Schönebaum and Elena Gui, Lighting Design
Žana Marović, Janus Fouché, and Joshua Trappler, Projection Editing | Compositing
Duško Marović SASC, Cinematography
Kim Gunning, Video Control
Gavan Eckhart, Sound Design

PERFORMED & CREATED BY
Performers
Xolisile Bongwana, Hamilton Dhlamini, William Harding, Neil McCarthy, Tony Miyambo, Nancy Nkusi

Chorus
Anathi Conjwa, Asanda Hanabe, Zandile Hlatshwayo, Khokho Madlala,
Nokuthula Magubane, Mapule Moloi, Nomathamsanqa Ngoma

Dancers
Thulani Chauke, Teresa Phuti Mojela

Musicians
Marika Hughes, cello; Nathan Koci, accordion and banjo; Tlale Makhene, percussion; Thandi Ntuli, piano

Choral music co-composed by Anathi Conjwa, Asanda Hanabe,
Zandile Hlatshwayo, Khokho Madlala, Nokuthula Magubane, Mapule Moloi, and Nomathamsanqa Ngoma. 
With additional solo vocal arrangements by Xolisile Bongwana.

Instrumental music for The Great Yes, The Great No
arranged by Nathan Koci, Tlale Makhene, Thandi Ntuli, and Marika Hughes.

The libretto of The Great Yes, The Great No includes short excerpts 
from the writings of Bertolt Brecht, André Breton, Aimé Césaire, Suzanne Césaire, Léon-Gontran Damas, Frantz Fanon, and others.

Produced by THE OFFICE performing arts + film

A project of the Centre for the Less Good Idea

Lead commissioner
LUMA Foundation, Arles FRANCE

Co-Commissioners
Adrienne Arsht Center for the Performing Arts, Miami-Dade County, Florida
with lead sponsor support from Adrienne Arsht; Cal Performances, University of California, Berkeley; Centre D’art Battat, Montreal, Canada; The Wallis Center for the Performing Arts, Beverly Hills

Foundational commissioning support for the development 
and creation of The Great Yes, The Great No
is provided by Brown Arts Institute at Brown University, Providence, Rhode Island.

The Great Yes, The Great No acknowledges the kind assistance of the
Goodman Gallery, Lia Rumma Gallery, and Hauser & Wirth in this project,
and generous support from The Roy Cockrum Foundation.

Co-Producers

Les Théâtres de la Ville de Luxembourg, LU | Ruhrfestspiele Recklinghausen, GE 
Spoleto Festival Dei Due Mondi, IT

Additional Production Credits
Boyd Design, technical direction
Brendon Boyd, production manager
Carly Levin, technical director
Meghan Williams, stage manager
Jessica Jones, libretto composition
Thulani Chauke and Teresa Phuti Mojela, choreography
Hamilton Dhlamini, ukulele compositions
Mathilde Baillarger, wardrobe supervisor
Lissy Barnes-Flint, props master
Stella Olivier, still photography
Chris Waldo de Wet and Jacques van Staden, studio prop fabrication
Emmanuelle Erhart and David Engler, costume fabricators
Lasha Lashvili, costume fabrication supervisor
Michele Greco, sound engineer
Parker Battle, lighting operator
Jessica Jones and Carla Walsh, studio assistants
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Languages
English, French, siSwati, isiZulu, isiXhosa, Setswana, Xitsonga, Sepedi
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The Great Yes, the Great No was developed in residence at the Centre for the Less Good Idea and the LUMA Foundation Arles. It
premiered in partnership with the Aix-en-Provence Festival at LUMA Arles in July 2024.
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The Centre for the Less Good Idea
An interdisciplinary incubator space for the arts based in Maboneng, Johannesburg.

Bronwyn Lace, Neo Muyanga, Dimakatso Motholo, Athena Mazarakis, Noah Cohen, Zain Vally, David Mann, Nthabiseng Malaka, Gracious Dube, Bukhosibakhe Kelvin Khoza, Zivanai Matangi, Matthews Phala, Wesley France

lessgoodidea.com
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THE OFFICE performing arts + film
Rachel Chanoff, Laurie Cearley,
Lynn Koek, Catherine DeGennaro,
Elly Obeney, Carol Blanco, Erica Zielinski, Olli Chanoff, 
Nadine Goellner, Noah Bashevkin, 
Chloe Golding, Mego Williams, Barbara Sartore, Sarah Suzuki, Soleil George, Zion Jackson, Scout Eisenberg, Jose Alvarado, Ana Maroto, Indigo Sparks, Gabriela Yadegari, Lia Camille Crockett, Hashim Latif, and Izze Best, creative producers

theofficearts.com
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Quaternaire
International Theatrical Representative
Sarah Ford
quaternaire.org
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Kentridge Studios
Anne McIlleron, Linda Leibowitz, Chris Waldo de Wet, Jacques van Staden, Damon Garstang, Taryn Buccellato, Natalie Dembo, Claire Zinn, Joey Netshiombo, Thandi Mzizi, Anne Blom, Nomonde Qhina, Diego Sillands

kentridge.studio
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Special thanks to publishers:
Gwenaëlle Aupetit (Editions La Découverte), Mireille Fanon Mendès-France, Gloria Castillo (University of Texas Press), Myrna Rochester, Suzanna Tamminen (Wesleyan University Press), Alexandra Jeann Lillehei, Constance Krebs 
(Association Atelier André Breton), Aube Elléouët, Présence Africaine, and Editions du Seuil

Works included:
André Breton, Prolégomènes à un troisième manifeste du surréalisme ou non, © Association Atelier André Breton

Aimé Césaire, “Cahier d’un Retour au Pays Natal” © Présence Africaine; English version, “Return to My Native Land,” translated b J. Berger and A. Bostock, © Présence Africaine

Leon-Gontran Damas, Pigments, © Presence Africaine, English translation by Alexandra Jeann Lillehei

Suzanne Césaire, “Le grand camouflage” and “1943: Le surréalisme et nous” in D. Maximin (ed.), Le grand camouflage: Écrits de dissidence (1941–1945), © Editions du Seuil; English version, “1943: Surrealism and Us” and “The Great Camouflage” in D. Maximin (ed.), The Great Camouflage: Writings of Dissent (1941–1945), translated by K.L. Walker, © Wesleyan University Press

Aimé Césaire and Suzanne Césaire, 
“Voice of the Oracle: Surrealist Game, April 1942,” in Black, Brown, & Beige: Surrealist Writings from Africa and the Diaspora, F. Rosemont and R. D.G. Kelley (eds.) © University of Texas Press; English translation by Myrna Rochester

Frantz Fanon, Les Damnés de la terre,
© Editions de la Découverte; English version, The Wretched of the Earth, translated by Constance Farrington, © Présence Africaine

All biography photos by Stella Olivier, 
except for: Mwenya Kabwe and Joshua Trappler (courtesy of the artists); Elena Gui (Koen Broos); and Neil McCarthy 
(Zivanai Matangi).

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